Normal vs Crapless Craps – Pass Line Analysis

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In the episode we recorded last night (#219, still unpublished as of the time of this post) I made a bit of a mess of the explanation on how to come up with the pass line odds on crapless craps, and incorrectly declared that it was easier to do than normal craps. Anyway, it’s a fun little math exercise, so let’s quickly do it.

Come out Roll:23456789101112Sum(1 – Sum) – Sum
Odds of Happening1/362/363/364/365/366/365/364/363/362/361/361
Odds of Winning Given it Happening (Regular)003/94/105/1115/114/103/910
Odds of Happening * Odds of Winning00.0278.0444.0631.1667.0631.0444.0278.05560.4929.0142
Odds of Winning Given it Happening (Crapless)1/72/83/94/105/1115/114/103/92/81/7
Odds of Happening * Odds of Winning .0040.0139.0278.0444.0631.1667.0631.0444.0278.0139.0040.4731.0538

I’ve quickly made a chart above that shows the odds of winning a passline bet for both regular craps and crapless craps. These numbers are slightly rounded for simplicity, but if you add the unrounded numbers you should get the exact odds of the player winning any given pass line bet, and thus house edge. Let’s quickly walk through these.

The first number that matters are how likely it is to roll any of these given numbers. There are 36 combinations of ways two dice can come up, and only one of those (1,1) is 2, and six of them (1,6), (2,5), (3,4), (4,3), (5,2), (6,1) are seven. Just counting these up is how to get the odds of these rolls happening on an initial come out roll.

We take that number and multiply it by the chance you win the bet based on that initial roll. In both craps and crapless craps, that number is 1 (100%) if you roll a seven, since that is just a winner. In regular craps 11 is also a guaranteed winner, while 2, 3, and 12 are guaranteed losers. For the other numbers, the only rolls that matter are the odds of hitting the initial number again vs the odds of rolling a seven, since all other rolls don’t impact your pass line bet. If you set a 4 as the point, there are 3 possible rolls of the dice that make your pass line bet a winner (1,3), (2,2), (3,1), while there are always six ways to make a seven. So there are nine total rolls that resolve the bet, and you win three of them.

To come up with the total likelihood that the player wins their pass line bet you just add up the odds that the player wins each individual number times the likelihood that number comes up. For both regular and crapless craps the pass line will win just over 43.7% of the time from just initially rolling the numbers between 4-10 initially, the only difference between the games is on the numbers 2, 3, 11, 12.

In normal craps 2, 3, and 12 are automatic losers, and 11 is an automatic winner. This adds a full 2/36 odds (just over 5.55%, the odds of rolling an 11) to winning the bet, pushing the likelihood of a player win to 49.29%. In crapless craps you get a chance to win initial rolls of 2, 3, and 12, but you have to work to win an 11. You end up gaining around .0218 extra wins from rolling a 2, 3, and 12 on the come out roll in crapless craps, but you end up losing .0416 wins from not automatically winning on an 11, and having only a 1/4 chance of winning an initial point 11 compared to 100% chance in normal craps. This makes the player win only 47.31% of pass line bets in crapless craps.

So it’s the 11 that is why the house edge of a pass line bet in crapless craps is around 5.38% while it’s only 1.42% for normal craps.

It is really fun to get a huge odds payout on a craps number in crapless craps though.

DFAW #218: Sixes or Better

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On episode 218 of the Atlantic City podcast, Kyle and Craig play Always/Once/Never with casino food courts, then dive into another trip report!

Reviews include:

  • Irish Pub Christmas decorations
  • Kings Pub
  • Resorts slots and table games
  • Kuro happy hour
  • McFlurries
  • MGM Tower rooms at Borgata
  • Borgata slots and table games
  • B Bar
  • Bread + Butter
  • And a type of video poker we’ve never played before.

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Episode info: [ 0:51:46 | 24.9 MB | download here ]

DFAW #217: Things We Say We’ll Definitely Do

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On episode 217 of the Atlantic City podcast, Kyle and Craig play Always/Once/Never with defunct casinos, talk about some bar and restaurant news, “plan” for a one-night pre-holiday trip to Borgata, then give a quick rundown of all the video poker bars in AC.

News:

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Episode info: [ 0:28:57 | 13.9 MB | download here ]

DFAW #216: The Great McFlurry Debate

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On episode 216 of the Atlantic City podcast, Kyle professes his love for Hooters, Craig skips an AC trip, and there’s quite a bit of news to cover.

In the news:

Reviews from the trip:

  • Atexcac Mexican Restaurant on the Boardwalk.
  • Check-in process at Tropicana.
  • Havana Tower rooms at Tropicana.
  • Ossu at Tropicana.
  • Gilchrist at Tropicana.
  • Table games at Caesars and Tropicana.
  • Check-out rush hour at Tropicana.
  • Electric vehicle charging in AC.
  • McFlurry topping supremacy.
  • Pressing the buttons vs. touching the screen in video poker.

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Episode info: [ 0:58:39 | 28.2 MB | download here ]

DFAW #215: Not-So-Lazy River

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On episode 215 of the Atlantic City podcast, Kyle and Craig play Always/Once/Never with Japanese restaurants, then Craig gives an exhaustingly detailed report on his AC trip with family.

Reviews:

  • Showboat King Balcony Suite.
  • Lucky Snake Arcade, including roller skating and mini golf.
  • Island Water Park.
  • Disney on Ice at Boardwalk Hall.
  • LandShark Bar & Grill.
  • Hard Rock Cafe.
  • Atlantic City Eatery at Showboat.
  • Sugar Factory desserts vs. convenience store desserts.
  • Bringing kids to AC.

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Episode info: [ 0:55:48 | 26.8 MB | download here ]

DFAW #214: The Ballon d’Or of Kid Meltdowns

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On episode 214 of the Atlantic City podcast, Kyle and Craig play Always/Once/Never with times of year to go to AC, then discuss two very different upcoming trips.

In the news, Dave & Buster’s announced December 11th as its opening date, and the September and Q3 data is available to pore over.

To wrap up, listener Pat G. asks if The Hook could inspire more Vegas-esque shows in AC.

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Episode info: [ 0:41:19 | 19.8 MB | download here]

DFAW #213: A Special Trip to Peanut World

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On episode 213 of the Atlantic City podcast, Kyle and Craig play Always/Once/Never with AC’s best sportsbooks, then cover a few news topics before Craig gives a trip report.

News:

Reviews:

  • Tropicana South Tower Ocean View room.
  • Purple Zebra frozen daiquiri.
  • Biergarten.
  • Superfrico and The Hook.
  • Hash House A Go Go.
  • Historic Smithville.

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Episode info: [ 0:46:12 | 22.2 MB | download here ]

DFAW #212: Tattered Old Bag Lady

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On episode 212 of the Atlantic City podcast, Kyle and Craig play Always/Once/Never with sections of the Boardwalk, briefly discuss Craig’s potential birthday trip, then take a long look at the 1986 CBS News Special Report, “Big Gamble in Atlantic City,” before wrapping up the episode with mailbag questions about race books, crappy beer, and pai gow tiles.

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Episode info: [ 0:47:26 | 22.8 MB | download here ]

DFAW #211: The New Hollywood

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On episode 211 of the Atlantic City podcast, Kyle and Craig play a game of Never/Never/Never with development projects that never happened: the PolerCoaster, the ropes course at Revel, and the joint Caesars/MGM project announced by Governor Chris Christie in 2017 (thanks to Press of Atlantic City’s Nicholas Huba for the inspiration).

Kyle mentions the 1986 CBS News Special Report, “Big Gamble in Atlantic City,” which you can watch on YouTube.

Then we talk more about The Hook, dive into the Island Waterpark’s pricing updates, discuss the plan to convert the Playground pier to film studios, and take a look at the August casino revenue data.

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Episode info: [ 0:33:38 | 16.2 MB | download here ]

DFAW #210: The Dive Bar Episode

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On episode 210 of the Atlantic City podcast, Kyle and Craig play Always/Once/Never with some of their favorite dive bars, then talk a lot about dive bars they haven’t been to yet.

In the news:

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Episode info: [ 0:37:41 | 18.1 MB | download here ]